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  • I don't think I agree with you about those film facts. The "first female film director" thing, for instance, is still a fact about the film. It's not different than noting, say, "This film is the first film directed by a woman to win a Best Picture Academy Award." No one knows what's going to happen in the future, but it's still a fact about the film.

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    • The difference is between information about the film (i.e. the film won an Academy Award) and information about the film's place in the history of MST3K (i.e. it's the first film in color that was used on the show). If it's the latter, it belongs on the Experiment page. There's nothing remarkable about "Lords of the Deep" having been directed by a woman other than that MST3K had never used a film that had been directed by a woman before.

      I suppose there's no real problem with it being on both pages, except that it makes the (film) page more cluttered and it's unnecessarily repetitive.

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    • I'm an inclusionist by nature and like more information on a page rather than less. And I don't see it as repetitive. We can never tell what brings a reader to a particular page. They won't necessarily read the episode page first, or at all. As long as it's phrased to fit the page its on ("This is the first episode to feature a film directed by a woman." vs "This is the first film used on MST3K that was directed by a woman."), I'm all for is inclusion.

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    • To me, that seems contrary to the reason for having separate pages for the films and the Experiments.

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    • Not *everything* about a movie relates to MST3K, but anything that does would be at home on both pages, to my mind. So, a film being the director's final film, that's a fact about the movie, but not relevant to the episode. The episode being the last appearance of a character is a fact about the episode not relevant to the movie.

      Having separate pages is for all the mass of detail that isn't relevant (or is much less relevant) to one or the other. This kind of fact seems mutually significant, so can be on both pages. There isn't a *lot* of details like that. We do mention things like the film's director and cast on the episode page because, even though those are film facts, they're relevant to the episode enough to be included. (Conversely, the episode's director is irrelevant to the film, but maybe a film character being portrayed by one of the MST cast in the episode would be relevant.)

      We can disagree on specific items, but there's no fundamental reason a particular fact *can't* be relevant enough to be included on both pages.

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  • We should just take anything presented on the show as being accurate, unless there is a clear reason to doubt. Max's connection to Frank was in doubt due to Kinga's unwillingness to recognize it in Season 11. But this is another character confirming it, so I now accept that Max is Frank's son. There's no reason to doubt Dr. Ehardt, so I think we, therefore, accept his word on Kinga's mother.

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    • I disagree, because we (the viewers) don't know how Dr. Erhardt knows. If he's just going by what Clayton told him, that's not reliable. Clayton could have been lying, or delusional.

      Plus, we're dealing with a real person in the form of Ms. Cattrall, so I think it's appropriate to leave some plausible deniability.

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    • I don't see why we need to have any additional confirmation. It's a case of not having any reason to question it. But, if you feel that kind of thing needs to be addressed, it should be in the behind-the-scenes section. The main body should be for in-universe information as presented on the show and free from fan theories.

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    • OK, I think can both find the wording on the Kinga page acceptable now, as it reflects what was presented on the show but also allows for the information being unreliable.

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  • I can't remember that we decided to remove the pages for the actual "episodes" themselves. I know I didn't want a lot of actors and directors who hadn't worked on films from the show, but didn't we want to keep the pages for the RiffTrax riffs of Santa Claus Conquers the Martians and stuff like that? At least anything that has a connection like that to the show? (re-riffs, etc.)Darth Prefect (talk) 17:00, April 27, 2018 (UTC)

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    • Another thought- I tend to think that the pages for the 4 Film Crew projects would be more appropriately placed on the Rifftrax Wiki, as TFC is closer to RT format and cast-wise. What's your position?

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    • I prefer the templates because they are easier to read and update when using the raw code, as I do. Anything works, of course, so use whatever works best for you,

      And I find TFC to be a lot closer to MST3K than it is to RT. It has a fictional backstory, host segments, etc. while RT is literally just the guys themselves making jokes.

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  • What i was trying to say was tom had the least amount of changes, build wise. Where crow got a new waist, hands, and limbs, Gypsy got a new eye, and is now rigged on the ceiling, and cambot changing completely.

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  • I copied over a template allowing us to easily link to pages on Wikipedia and then created one for the RiffWiki. You can see how they work at Template:W and Template:RiffWiki. Let me know if they are useful to you. The old systems still work, of course.

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    • Great, thanks. I had some time last night so I devoted some attention to moving over the Star Wars actors. Had to do some clean-up on the RT Wiki as well, so I didn't get to all of them. After that, I'll do LotR, then Harry Potter and the Matrix.

      I was going back and forth on people like Harrison Ford and Keanu Reeves, though. Are they culturally relevant enough (like Shatner) to have pages on the MST3K Wiki, even though they aren't in any MST3K movies?

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    • Ford, I don't think so. They don't reference him directly a lot. Reeves, yes, but only because Mike "plays" him in a sketch, which I think is enough.

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  • Don't forget to add the spoiler template to pages that relate to Season 11.

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  • Try to keep the suffix lower case (.jpg not .JPG). It shouldn't matter, but it does, particularly with the title screenshots, since I've already added them (1107.jpg, 1108.jpg, etc.) to the individual pages and the episode list.

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    • OK, it seems that I can't figure out how to change a .JPG file extension from upper-case to lwer-case. I'm using the Microsoft Snipping Tool to take the screen grabs, and that's the default setting that it applies. Any suggestions?

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    • Never mind, found it on Google.

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  • Thanks for the catch. I put the pages together a bit too fast, I think.

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  • I have protected the Episode List (and List of released episodes) until the season drops on Friday. I will update the Episode list at that time. You are one of the few who could still make corrections, but please don't update until after I have added the titles on Friday. Thanks.

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  • Never thought I would see us working like we do. Thanks for taking my driveby throw ins and making them almost poetry. ;)

    You're the best. but yes, delete and correct as you will.

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